a lot of work has been done behind the scenes i've been told with senator manchin, with senator sinema. this to some degrees serves as evidence with what the white house officials have been laying out to those centrist senators will line up in the end. so they understand that this isn't going to happen tomorrow in the senate. it will likely take weeks into december, but they feel like to some degree, success begets success. there will be momentum here, without question, and the fact that what they've done on the economic side and what they've done on the projection and estimate side has shown up to be mostly true with the congressional budget office score will only serve to help them as they lock in those final two votes in the senate. >> gloria, how basic deal do you think this is? >> it's a very big deal. they've convinced the moderates to come onboard. because the deficit doesn't look that terrible. i mean, it's a large figure, but the white house estimate, and phil, you know more about this than i do, is that it's not really over 300. it's actually 160 billion and the issue is how much money you