vice president being called to serve. he kind of refers to it as a biblical call. >> he talks about it, if he feels he's called to serve he'd do it independent of what anyone else does, meaning donald trump. there are people in the republican party who have worked with both trump and pence who say it's ludicrous. we quoted mick mulvaney, trump's former chief of staff, saying, mike pence is a nice guy, but what is mike pence offering that 15 other republicans in the field are not offering? mike pence can say he was vice president. but we saw in 2016 that republican voters don't necessarily care about experience. they elected donald trump. so it's really not a credential that seems to matter anymore in the modern republican party. >> again, just to get to the primary process and set yourself apart, mike pence is not exactly a stirring orator or a, you know, entertaining figure like the former president is to his