to report on the war so they don't go to jail for up to 15 years. what was shocking to me is it's one thing as though people are watching the news and believing what they see, that it was so shocking to me that this propaganda could be thicker than blood. >> you talked to somebody in mariupol, which was a city under siege, what was their experience talking to their relative? >> this was shocking to me. i was just trying to find out what's happening in mariupol because there's no water, there's no food. there's no cell service. it's very difficult to get ahold of people who are there, even though it's a city of almost half a million people. i spoke to a whom finally made it out a few days ago. she was explaining to me her ordeal, what was happening to her, the dead bodies she saw, her family stuck behind. and he said, it's really shocking for me that my brother, misha, who left mariupol when it first came under attack by russian backed forces and decided he wasn't interested in the war, went to russia, wasn't