>> and that's the root of all this legal custody issues? >> the ruling happened on 9/11. so what more do you want? the judge granted him custody without even hearing me, or seeing me or knowing anything about me. he gave him immediately custody of both kids. >> and you don't feel that that court decision had anything to do with the -- i mean, what i saw on records of abuse by you, alcoholism by you, et cetera? >> this is all his side. this is all his talk. this is all his side of the story. these are all his lies. and i don't know how it's on record, on court records at all. because i was just -- i never had any rulings against me for any of these things that you mentioned. >> i have the court records with me. i could show you them. i'm stunned that you haven't seen them. you were part of them. >> i have not seen any court records at all.