behind. i would from the side and brought him down and then you can lay down. okay? >> the difference between the approaching the carotid artery, approaching the windpipe, it seems awfully subtle and small given the fast-moving chaotic situation of an arrest. i mean, can police really make a distinction? you're just grabbing someone around the neck, aren't you? >> you basically are. but be careful too. i was very careful to not break the guy's neck. >> in a case like this where the person is moving quickly. >> and you saw here how easy it was to put a choke hold on somebody who's not fighting, just laying there. here, you've got a guy probably taller than you and back up and jump up to bring him down and he brought him back. now, was there pressure going back like he had said? looks like there was pressure on his throat. >> obviously, the homicide which was the medical examiner said based on compression of the neck