>> anthony: how did it happen that we ended up with southern food being the most, sort of, cruelly hijacked into this cartoonish, uh, parody of itself? >> modern, clean, advanced, complete meat processing. >> glenn: i think it's a combination of two massive cultural influences that came together at the same time. the idea of industrialization came late to the south. when it hit we got pellagra. the first nutrition laws in america were written in south carolina because everybody moved into mill villages and immediately started eating processed food because they weren't growing their food anymore. the second thing that happened is there was a massive amount of expertise that was lost during the civil war. >> anthony: a lot of the southern revival, the whole turnaround started with this guy, glenn roberts. a man who asked a simple question -- how come grits aren't as good as they used to