collect. he's also sort of punting that over to the congress. but overall, i think what he was trying to do today was say to the american people, look, we're not just willy-nilly spying and snooping on you. we have reasons to do this. but i'm hearing you that you want to understand more about just why we're doing what we're doing. >> spider marx, retired u.s. army, did he convince you? >> he convinced me there needs to be some changes involved in the program. and as we have discussed, would any of this happened without snowden? i would argue, i don't know that the jury has come down hard on that completely and said without snowden we wouldn't be doing any of this. the intelligence community as a matter of routine does internal reviews in terms of how they conduct operations, and this is sufficient oversight. the real issue that gloria made, it is not as transparent as maybe we would like it to be. and there are elements of that that we need kind of exposed to daylight. the declassification of