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The Lead With Jake Tapper

lasted netanyahu for not participating in the suleimani strike. that was interesting. >> and weird. >> i want to ask you about something else. there's been some investigative journalism suggesting that reporters on the ground have not been able to verify that the hospital in gaza, that the u.s. and israel both said there was a hamas command and control center either underneath it or there. there have been -- "the washington post" and others saying there is no evidence of it. the u.n. just reinforced it, saying hamas used the hospital in gaza to store weapons and hostages. they still haven't produced any evidence of it. we have seen detailed idf videos of the tunnels underneath the hospital. what do you make of this all? >> with the u.s. intelligence releasing the declassification

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

discussing the classified broad sense of classified material before leaving the white house, nor was he aware of any standing order from trump authorizing the automatic declassification materials -- sources familiar with the matter tell abc news. meadows also told investigators that he was not involved in packing the boxes that trump took to mar-a-lago after leaving the white house. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, a former fbi general counsel, former chief of the criminal division at the eastern district of new york. he is a professor and why you lost school and co-host of the prosecuting donald trump podcasts and msnbc legal analysts. and neal katyal, former acting u.s. attorney general and host of the podcast courtside with neil castillo. andrew weizmann, i want to go to the conditions imposed on donald trump and have we see a possible violation of those conditions tonight when he

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

there is ponderous and pieces of evidence that enshrines the practice of disregarding rules or classified information and not being truthful will be powerful in front of a jury. >> let me ask a person who has been a courtroom and tried cases. when you hear from mark meadows, and then you hear mike pence chime in and say the same, there was no broad declassification, as an attorney who is building a case, with this essay to you. >> it tells me that these people are not going to hesitate, to throw donald trump under the bus. if i'm donald trump's defense team, i have long since said that mark meadows in particular is the linchpin for a lot of prosecution as it relates to the former president. this is evidence of the fact that prosecutors understand that and they know that. they will continue to hammer that home, in hopes of potentially cutting a deal or flipping mark meadows whatever where they can. >> you mentioned earlier the fact that donald trump is facing the highest bail of the could defendants, in part, because he's seen as the head

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

of course, because mark meadows, even though he cooperated and said and answered questions, you don't actually know and he will say on the stand. all he has to do is add that he could have said that to somebody else, and it would undermine the prosecution. that said, it's not just mark meadows who said that. as i mentioned earlier, it's also the former vice president. if you could throw in, for example, the white house legal counsel, if nobody has ever heard about this, that is something that could be a compelling piece of circumstantial evidence that there is ponderous and pieces of evidence that enshrines the practice of disregarding rules or classified information and not being truthful on the matter that can be powerful in front of a jury. >> let me ask a person who has been a courtroom and tried cases. when you hear from mark meadows, and then you hear mike pence chime in and say the same, there was no broad declassification, as an attorney who is building a case what does that say to you. >> it tells me that these people are not going to

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

>> by definition. >> exactly. >> in other mark meadows a news, abc is reporting that mark meadows told jack smith's investigators that he does not recall donald trump, quote, ever ordering or even discussing the classified broad sense of classified material before leaving the white house, nor was he aware of any standing order from trump authorizing the automatic declassification materials -- sources familiar with the matter tell abc news. meadows also told investigators that he was not involved in packing the boxes that trump took to mar-a-lago after leaving the white house. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, a former fbi general counsel, former chief of the criminal division at the eastern district of new york. he is a professor and why you lost school and co-host of the prosecuting donald trump podcasts and msnbc legal analysts. and neal katyal, former acting u.s. attorney general and host of the podcast courtside with neil castillo. andrew weizmann, i want to go to the conditions imposed on donald trump and have we see a possible violation of those conditions tonight when he called fani willis a left wing prosecutor, that sort of thing? is there some point in donald trump's language about the

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Deadline White House

superseding indictments and know that case is ongoing. i would guess he is not out of the clear just yet in any case. but i do think he made an effort at least with the federal prosecutors to give them enough information to try to act as neither a pro-trump witness nor an anti-trump witness. that was his strategy going in, to not be very negative about trump but also not defending trump. we know from abc news that he did tell them that trump had not given an order to de classify a broad declassification or which, you know, many people at the white house had said, but we know he said that directly to the grand jury. >> neal, i just want to pull you in on this for your legal analysis. of course, you and i talked about it at the time, that the idea that there was any standing de classification -- i mean it is like oxymoronic, key on sort of moronic, that would never

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Deadline White House

down this path. what do you know about this? >> reporter: well, this is something that democrats have warned about from the beginning in the state house, even though the republican sponsors of the bill took great care to not put fani willis's name anywhere near this bill as it was being debated in the legislature earlier this year. they said they were trying to find ways to get prosecutors to do their job if they weren't enforcing laws or if there were kind of a gross negligence of duty, they like to fight a republican da in south georgia and his work. but democrats from the beginning warned this could be a way to go after da willis and to punish her for any potential trump prosecution. well, within days we are seeing republican members of the state house talking about using this measure to do it, and i guess we'll have to wait and see. republican leaders put the kibosh on other talk about convening a special session in order to try to get rid of da willis. we'll see how far this push ends up going in the legislature. remember, they don't start

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work. it is not how an intelligence product works. any document that travels from one building to the other on the 18-acre complex would automatically be declassified. it would involve calling the intelligence agencies, calling american allies, calling the nsa and the cia every night to tell them what he took with him. i mean it was nonsensical, but to now have it completely confirmed in black and white there never was any such thing as a standard declassification order seems like a devastating legal fact from a pretty authoritative witness against trump in mark meadows. >> 100% of the calls. this has been trump's defense ever since the raid on mar-a-lago. he always said, i had a standing order to de classify documents when i took them out of the oval office, which is thoroughly preposterous on every level. for one thing, it would mean that like all of the nation's most sensitive secrets the moment they left the oval office were declassified, covert

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his attempt to move his case to federal court. just moments ago he asked a federal judge to immediately grant his request or sign an order that would prevent da fani willis from arresting him since he will not be surrendering by noon friday. for her part fulton county da fired back with a letter to meadow's attorneys saying this, i am not granting any extensions. i gave two weeks for people to surrender themselves to the court. your client is no different than any other criminal defendant in this jurisdiction. the two weeks were tremendous courtesy. at 12:30 p.m. friday i shall file warrants in the system. that is where we start today with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. from "the new york times" congressional reporter luke fallwater is back with us. plus outside the wright street jail in atlanta, senior reporter for "the atlanta journal-constitution" is back. and former acting u.s. solicitor

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