the details they've discussed, that this was not a deliberate act? >> there's a couple things and i'm really reaching. we need to rule it out. number one, this is the control yoke right here. this is how you fly the airplane, with just a joy stick basically. the thought is here, if he passed out and pushed that forward as he fell forward, it would have gone forward, initiated that rate of descent and overroad this, so the airplane would have continued down. even though it's set at zero, it would continue this trajectory. >> again, they still say, everything they know is that it is deliberate. >> that's right. second thing real quick, if the pilot got up from here and his sleeve caught this going in this direction, it would have changed the rate of descent. from what we can tell, he's already out of there. >> already out of before that