>> bishops have always had the right to say, the priests in their dioceses have faculties to grant absolution and forgiveness for abortion. in vermont it's been going on for 15 years. it's not universal all over the church. so what the pope francis has done has said, this is something i want universal and not just left up to particular bishops to decide, but this should be granted to all people throughout the world and not dependent upon where you live and who happens to be your bishop. >> and it allowed priests to be able to do this. >> annulment is a remedial process. it's a healing process. it's a way of determining and looking at something that has gone on and saying, look, yes. something happened with this marriage. it didn't make it. it didn't quite fulfill the way everyone would understand a meaningful, loving relationship to be in a covenant of marriage. and so now it's a freeing -- >> what did you make also of the pope who said something earlier this summer that sometimes it's