experienced. when it's cold in february, you have to get people out of their homes. the warmth of their homes to go vote for you and caucus for you. that's what we've got on the ground. polls don't show that yet, but they will. and this is a long process -- >> you don't think the debate matters? >> any indicator at this point, we'd be talking about president giuliani and president herman cain. neither one of them got out of the starting blocks. there's a long way to go before people actually start casting votes. >> hogan, what are the exchanges between the two other leading candidates in this case right now, donald trump seemed to question the religion of ben carson. donald trump said hey, i'm a presbyterian. can you hear me, hogan? >> hogan, can you hear us? >> i got you now. got you now. >> okay good. >> great. donald trump said he's a presbyterian, carson is a seventh day adventist. i don't know about them, said donald trump. huckabee is a pastor. what does he think?