heavy gunfire and then came those explosions. and all of that went on for a very long time. and they were sort of, you know, the occasional explosion that was going on for hours after the initial raid started. and people we've been speaking to are saying, look, they know that this is sort of a working-class area. it's an area also that does actually have a fairly high crime rate. but it certainly is not an area where they would expect something like this to happen. and the other thing, of course, that really frightens people is that this is the second major terror event that's gone on in their neighborhood in just a couple days. keep in mind the stadium where several suicide attackers blew themselves up, the stade de france, is only a couple hundred yards away. so people are extremely concerned about what's going on, downright frightened to think that something like this could have been going on in their neighborhood, kate. >> absolutely, fred. fred pleitgen on the ground there in st. daint-denis where massive raid and firefight happened earlier this morning. i want to talk about all of