might have missed had they done a deeper dive. >> you talk about it being complicated, that's for sure, evan. phil, to you, the length of time evan is hearing from his sources, it could have gone even well before isis was a term we even knew about. isis was a term we were even talking about. the fact this was going on much longer, radicalized both here in the u.s., because he was born and raised here, and her abroad, does that make it even more surprising to you or concerning that red flags weren't raised? >> a bit. this case gets more curious by the day. a lot of these cases after you look at them for 20 years, they're linear. a couple folks, typically young, get radicalized by the group. talk to the group, get training, coming back and conduct an operation. these folks you have far longer in terms of their cycle of radicalization. in middle of that, they conceive a child, have a child. that's unusual for a terror cell. if you're going to spend that amount of time radicalizing,