those negotiations. privately he is saying it should be cut in something like half. so where are things headed? cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill with more on this. lauren, nancy pelosi is not budges publicly. is it even clear what joe manchin would cut out, what would remain in this package? >> reporter: kate, i think it's still very early. we'll learn a lot more when senators return next week. what manchin is clearly stating here is he's uncomfortable with the level of spending that democrats are looking at. that's why he's telling colleagues, like you said, he would be more comfortable with a propose nhl the neighborhood of one or $1.5 trillion. he also wants this proposal to be paid for. he's going to be a little flexible. he's telling colleagues, he's going to have conversations with leadership, looking for ways to actually cover the cost of some of this proposal. obviously deeply engaged with the white house in conversations about what would need to happen in order for him to support the