there was like the media is not stupid. the media go and say, look, if we get millions of requests to cover, of course we go with the camera. but there was no one interested. so i think there are people interested that want to go and unseat newsom. they will be motivated and they will come out and vote. and then there is the democrats that maybe take this a little bit relaxed and maybe not come out and it is going to be -- there could be dangerous for newsom if that is the case. >> she's getting at what you were mentioning, where the passion is or the imbalance of it and the biggest problem might be that people don't care. >> that is exactly right. ly say that at the time we spoke a few weeks ago, he even then said i see that the newsom campaign is not relaxing any more. they're getting it. so that was already clear to him and to everybody else. the clowns he was referring to was the people who want to do what he did, the only person as