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without the afghan military or a functioning government, would that have been enough to retake kabul to be able to secure the passage to everybody at the airport? >> i don't want to profresz to be a military expert. i can i say think safely it would have taken a substantial number of forces to try to retake the city or establish a much broader perimeter, and, of course, if that was ultimately opposed by the taliban, in a sense, it would have defeated the purpose. anyone outside that perimeter would not have been allowed to get through it to come to the airport. among other things. >> right. once the afghan military collapses, we don't have enough troops to retake kabul, and we are in the position of having to rely on the taliban or at least communicate with the taliban to make sure that we get individuals to the airport? >> that's correct. >> okay. >> i just think this is important to put on the record

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