life. >> when we first started, they were quite small and quite young so they fit in there quite nicely, but they were immobile for the most part. >> it didn't feel good. it just didn't. and it -- it was just wrong. >> we started having difficulty getting them all into this one small steel box, to be honest. that's what it was. it was a floating steel box. >> that's where food deprivation could come in. we would hold back food and they knew if they went in the modular they would get food so if they were hungry enough they went in there. >> during the winter 5:00 at night until 7:00 in the morning. >> teeth rakes and blood. >> closing that door on him and knowing that he's locked in there for the whole night is like -- it's a stab. it's whoa. >> if that is true, it's not