other two just kind of circled around. but he definitely was the instigator. and we knew he was that whale because he had the flopped over fin, like it was very easy to tell. >> sea land of the pacific closed its doors and was looking to i guess make a buck on the way out. and these whales were worth millions. >> when seaworld learned this whale was available after sea land of the pacific they really wanted tilicum because they wanted a breeder. i don't think anybody was questioning, is this a good idea. >> my understanding of the situation was that tilicum and others would not be used in show or performance animals. our understanding of their behavior is that it was such a likely stimulating event for them was they were likely to repeat it. >> we were a bit of sea cowboys, we all had this vision that they knew more than us and they were