never proposed open prices. never proposed the idea that hospitals and doctors put out the prices of the services in, and the activities that they do in the hospitals and to their patients so people can see what the prices are. we have never tried -- >> so you're proposing throwing it all -- >> hang on. you asked my a question. i am he going to answer it. >> we've never tried small businesses and individuals being able to pool resources together. >> yes, we have. we have small group health insurance. >> you insist on -- >> that have small group health insurance. [ talking simultaneously ] >> are you saying that -- >> maybe we should consider that. >> i want to jump in here. where's the legislation that something we should consider, however, it doesn't actually solve the problem of people