you increase access to health care. you increase the dialogue on respect for people with mental health so they seek help. you do everything you can because you care. >> we were chatting about this a little bit in the break. people say donald trump's liberal, he's conservative. i think he's pragmatic. he looks at the data, information and he's a business guy. he wants to see things that work. on one hand, he says the background checks make sense but on the other hand, he says, okay, would it have stopped any of these killings at the end of the day? and so -- >> why each time after talking to lapierre, he's backed off the position? why would he be afraid of that guy? >> look, i think gun rights is a second amendment, the right to have firearms, and it's very important. the nra has been -- >> where are those people going to go? where are they going to go? >> they're going to go into the