of the classified nature of other things that may have been going on. we have to caution ourselves. we've seen the petulance and the sky is falling and the breathlessness from adam schiff as it related to russiagate. we saw what game of that. a lot of breathlessness and no substance -- >> nobody's been more breathless than rudy was last night. it's not about insulting -- >> is one guy louder than the other is not a good way to make an argument. that's a good point, chris. but in this instance, i think we have a lot of thunder he but not a lot of substantial -- >> what would be abuse of power? >> excuse me? >> what would be abuse of power? >> well, like i said, we don't know all the facts. >> what would be abuse of power? >> you're speculating as to what could have been abuse of power. the president of the united states is engaging in diplomatic discussions with the ukraine and corruption comes up and perhaps the corruption of the former vice president and his son come