as corroborating witnesses, and it goes further. the intelligence inspector general interviewed witnesses. what does that tell you about the credibility of this complaint? >> well, from -- i saw an earlier interview. i think it was wolf blitzer conducted with congressman eric swalwell, and his inferential description of the whistle-blower's complaint tells me i think this, when it eventually comes out, is going to be even more devastating than the transcript or summary of the one phone call between the president and his ukrainian counterpart. and it sounds to me like this was written by a very good intelligence officer, who is a good writer, and who has documented both documentary references as well as other people who are implicated or who are corroborating witnesses. so this thing can spread. so i think this is actually a bigger deal than the transcript which, itself, i thought was damning and devastating. and why anyone thought that was