taking did not appear to be driven by political considerations. it just wasn't the case. >> now, there is an inspector general report that's going to come out about just this, and i know that you haven't looked at it but even if you have looked at it, can't talk to you about it. that's not my question. the idea is going to be if it comes out in that report that page was not found to have political animus influencing her actions, what do you think of the damage done by what this president continues -- doesn't matter what's in the i.g.'s report. we both know the president is going to keep saying they were out to get him. >> the human suffering the president has caused these people who made mistakes, pete and lisa made mistakes and those mistakes hurt the bureau, hurt the investigations, hurt their own careers, themselves and their families. they know that. they know they exercised poor judgment and made mistakes and they regret it, they're sorry about it. as human beings who make his takes, stop the presses, human beings make mistakes and exercise poor judgment, that happens. what happens on a day-to-day basis in public is they're both subjected to this kind of