>> they do the research. >> in america when we say 20 weeks or 24 weeks, people freak out and say, no, no, we want to be able to take the life of a child. >> you have a viability test. we went through this. >> did we? >> that's roe v. wade. here's what you should push for. >> tell me. >> we need more scientific research about when life begins. there's too much of a range. different religions have different -- >> you think a 5-month-old fetus -- >> i'm not a scientist. >> that is like when because my wife and i go to get an ultrasound and there are a lot of candidates to believe what you believe on reproductive rights. why get behind a man who makes a mockery of your faith? >> most people don't think he's making a mockery of our faith. >> does he -- >> most people who are