overturn the government. >> now, i last spoke with the general back in june of 2020. it was in the wake of trump's ugly response to the george floyd protest. and i just thought as a leader and, obviously, african-american, this would resonate. i called him to book him on the show. but in saying no, he invited me into a very long conversation about the nature of purpose, specifically making things better. as he explained to me, you know, exposing lies is good, but just exposing lies, scoring points, that doesn't fix division. do you want to fix the division? he was very worried that even the well-intentioned weren't helping. why? he explained to me that people don't change their mind when