here in phoenix, and i think we've proven just because you have lenient laws for law-abiding gun owners that it doesn't make your place more dangerous to live. maybe that one. >> hold on, let's go one at a time. i am a gun owner, by the way. you probably didn't know that. most of you guys don't. but do you believe that all sales should be checked to make sure that people who are getting them should get them? >> i think most of the sales already are, but, yeah i don't have an issue with checking to make sure people are legal gun owners. i think a better way to solve the problem is theid databases that are used when they do the background checks should be updated. >> i agree. do you think people who don't -- first of all, you've got to do better with the paperwork like you just said. do you think people that don't get secure their firearms and they get used in a crime should be charged as well? >> it depends. now that's circumstantial. i don't know of all the circumstances. i live by myself but i have five grandchildren.