and what does that mean for news organizations here in the united states? i mean, i guess i should say around the world because as you and i both know, ted -- we've talked about this -- there are so many regimes around the world that have adopted trump's name calling, calling news organizations fake news and using things like "the enemy of the people" to defame journalists and so on. >> it's very, very troubling and very dangerous. it em boldens leaders around the world to abuse the press, to clamp down on the press. the republican party -- most republicans in office in running for office, part of their brand is to denigrate and dely jit mize the press. the harmful thing is that makes it so that citizens don't believe what some of the best reporters and journalists in the world are telling them based on their news gathering activity. but they're believing the disinformation, the lies about the 2020 election, the lies about covid.