and i don't know if it was one or the other. was it his mindset was spiraling, and so he took oath keepers in a more and more dangerous, you know, road? or was he sort of absorbing the energy of the times and just following a more and more violent path, and then he was just more free to behave that way at holme. but certainly, when you see the rhetoric of oath keepers changing over the years, every time you see more violence out in the open with his behavior, that was absolutely mirrored in the way he acted at home and he was just becoming more and more unhinged and -- and more violent and more dangerous in the house. >> and so, in your -- in your mind, it would be a mistake for the authorities to, while he is awaiting trial, to -- to allow him to be released on bail or something like that? >> yeah, i -- i -- i think he would have taken off. i -- i really do.