the court case was going on, really surprised me. there were people that i thought were quite reasonable people, who basically said things about black hills that just were not true. >> there's a difference between the academic perspective of fossil collecting and the commercial perspective. >> there are some people in this profession that really, truly believe that it is, there's something morally wrong with selling a fossil. >> i was indoctrinated as an undergrad, that if you don't that if you don't have a ph.d. you have no right to collect fossils. and i heard about them. they were collecting these fossils and i was told, these are pirates! and i visited pete larson and i