debates are becoming unwatchable. >> yeah. >> this reminds everybody of what they cannot stand about washington. scoring points against each other. poking at each other and telling each other that, my plan, your plan. look, we all -- >> yeah, that's called a democratic primary election, pete. that's called an election. that's an election. you know? this is what we're here for. it's an election. >> yeah, but a house divided cannot stand. >> reaction now from dnc chair tom perez. good to see you. >> chris, always great to be with you. >> that was an interesting moment. there's no chance, if castro wants to come on tonight, we welcome the secretary to explain the situation, but he said it three times, it was clearly a jab and it was clearly rejected by the rest of the debate stage. what was your take on that moment? >> well, that was one moment in a really spirited debate. i mean, you've seen a lot of debates over the years, chris, and they get spirited. and then the voters have to