you can have a public option, a public option on top of it. you like your insurance? keep it. we're not blowing up capitalism. not blowing up what you have. we're going to add a piece to cover the people that are covered now. >> the point you're making is a messaging one. i wonder how this conversation would go if we were talking about an evolutionary system, to your point, right, evolving obamacare to all of the pieces to get us medicare for all, versus, we're going to scrap this and throw it away. >> people fear change a little bit. >> i believe, if messaged well, people will say, medicare for all, makes a lot of sense for all of our families. i believe there is a messaging challenge to get through. >> and i think -- we see that playing out with warren. >> what gets lost and it's really important, in the fight between medicare for those who want it, medicare for all, we forget to say, and the republicans want to take away obamacare. >> right. >> i give kamala harris tonight for pointing that out. that was one of the most