part. and biden did not say what castro claimed he said. and it doesn't go after biden's base. just came off bad. it's dominating the coverage right now. >> it is the coverage right now. with castro, the idea, when i interviewed him, he wouldn't own it. how does that work as a political dynamic in your mind? it was clearly his intention. either you can say, i didn't mean it that way. >> right. >> he said it three times. it's hard to say you didn't mean it that way twice when you said it. he must think it will hurt him. does it? >> look, the fact of the matter is, castro is polling at 2% of the democratic primary. he's not going to come out of this. the real question is whether or not it helps or hurts joe biden. remember when eric swalwell is when he passed the torch?