was because there were concerns about corruption. we keep going back to concerns about corruption. if the president wanted to withhold that aid for some time because he was concerned about corruption, that could have been a very simple public pronouncement that likely few people would have questioned were it done that way. i'm not comfortable with what i see. i'm going to hold off here and i want to let you all know that's the plan. that didn't happen. >> erica, even if that had happened, it would not have been backed up by what he said in private. he did not raise corruption in his private engagements with the ukrainians in the first instance and, number two, erica, we have a process for assessing corruption in ukraine under the national defense authorization act. we have certain benchmarks that ukrainians have to meet in order to get a large portion of their security sector assistance. people like laura cooper have an official regular process for assessing whether the defense sector in the ukraine meets