the types of weapons putin has introduced into this theater and the type of training which of course obviously for group of separatists can't be to the caliber you'd have for russian troops. what do you expect to happen when you bring that type of heavy weaponry into eastern ukraine and teach these guys to start shooting planes out of the sky? i mean, there is culpability here and it goes right to vladimir putin, and the right thing for him to do at this point is to say, all right, let's have a cease-fire, let's support an international investigation, get the international civil aviation organization in there. >> right. >> we all know what that is going to show given the fact they've already taken credit for shooting down planes. i mean, unfortunately, i think the only good thing that can come out of this now is a com t commitment to allow the peace plan to be put in place. >> let me, josh rogen, bring you in here on what the chairman