the public's confidence which is a tool in future elections. they are laying the ground work for future elections. this whole entire thing is concerning. >> speaking of -- can you use the machines and the things they're working with again? are not they vulnerable to hacking and all that? are you going to have to get new machines? >> certainly the chain of custody of the plmaricopa count tabulation system has been irrepairably broken by handing it over to these individuals where they kept it locked in a room that didn't have cameras. we have no idea what they did do it and there's no way to find out what they did to it to know whether or not the equipment is compromised. based on guidance, this kind of harm to the chain of custody does render it unusable for