are but many times they aren't with people of color and poor people that don't have the means to be able to stand behind a lawyer and not go to speak. do you think like someone who -- you know, a don lemon, if i wasn't who i am, they would be like hey, get your butt in here. what do you know about the disappearance of such and such? why won't you talk? do you need a lawyer because you're guilty? all of that would go down. >> yeah, they do that to black people, white people, a lot of people. >> i said this is about black people and poor people meaning because all people are poor, i mean not all people but there are people of all different ethnicities that are poor and don't have the proivilege to afford an attorney that will tell them they can't go in. you said until you're arrested, that's when you are assigned an attorney for free. >> if you want one. >> otherwise before then you have to show out some dough. >> you do. you don't need a lawyer, you just need to know your rights and obviously, you can't be