hey, we want you trump voters. we don't necessarily want trump in this race. so he is trying to keep him at arm's length. so what does that -- what does that say about, you know, whether trump should be part of this or not? what is your analysis on that? >> well, i -- i think he's responding to the empirical information we have from the last election in which trump did not win the election. he lost by several million votes but everywhere else down the ticket, republicans actually did quite well. and so, there are a whole bunch of people out there and youngkin knows this. who actually want to vote for, you know, run of the mill, standard issue conservative republicans but just didn't care to vote for trump. >> that's my question. this is my question. that's the gist of my question. hold on, ron, because i find this very fascinating. that is the gist of my question. so, where does this, scott, put donald trump in all of this? i mean, should the party be looking beyond him? or -- do you understand what i am saying -- i am getting at?