reasonableness. was kyle rittenhouse in reasonable belief that his life was in immediate danger? if so, under wisconsin self-defense law he was entitled to use lethal force to shoot somebody. look, it's better for kyle rittenhouse's defense somebody else fired the first shot than he did. the argument you would see is he didn't know where that shot come from, he was reasonable in concluding that the person who was chasing him fired that shot. therefore, he was reasonable in turning around and returning fire. that could be a self-defense arguments that you hear, and an important thing to keep in mind, under wisconsin law self-defense is a difficult defense for prosecutors and it's easier for the defendant than in other states. in the majority of states if a defendant argues self-defense, all he has to do is show his actions were reasonable but in wisconsin, the prosecution has to show beyond a reasonable doubt it was unreasonable. so this is going to be a tough one for prosecutors. >> real quick, he was -- wasn't