so that in a sense is unprecedented. but the story itself feels to me mythic in broader american ways of great rise and precipitous fall. >> did you say p.t. barnum and gatsby? is that what you said? >> yeah, that's what i was saying, or, you know, bernard madoff or tom wolfe. >> what does this mean for startup culture at large? will there be more legal oversight in a sector where criminal prosecution had essentially dried up? >> great question. these are really rare cases. people consider them very hard to bring. you know, i work cases like this on the civil side, and it is pretty routine. they're sale, oh, just puffery, et cetera, but it's a lie. i think now this will send shock waves through startup culture. they'll know these kinds of fake it till you make it lies can really, you know, completely