surroundings to know where the exits are and then the rest of that is run, hide, fight and that's what we did. >> andrew, jonathan said it good they have the training but sad they have to have the training. could this have ended differently if the hostages didn't have the training or courage they show snd. >> sure, sure. that's the purr fpose of the training, run, get out, ie, conceal yourself if you can't get out and when everything else falls apart, you have to fight. you cannot give up. don't give in. don't give up. don't ever give up. these people stayed in the fight. they were thinking tactically. they were maneuvering themselves towards the door. they were communicating with each other. they did, you know, everything right here and one mistake, one thing if they'd kind of wallowed