it in this country, in this time when black americans are still dealing with the legacy of jim crow and enslavement and systemic oppression. and yet, race is a social construct and it shows up differently in different societies. and so again, if we look back to germany, the nazis believed that they were the master race and jews were a subhuman race -- >> jews were the inferior race. that's what they believed. >> yeah. and they waged a war of extermination against the jewish people because of this belief in race. that's undeniable. it's what happened. >> i want to get through a lot here, and i don't want to be rude but i just want to get through a lot because i have a lot of questions to ask you because i do think that this is a teachable moment. right? and you said you stand in support of whoopi because of her history but you don't support the words the way she said it. and that's understand -- i think there can be nuance there. let's start there. we spoke with you last night. this was after whoopi issued the statement, the apology. but before her previously -- that was before her previously