elector certificates, they're really different than a lot of the other planning/plotting discussion that we have learned about because if you want to point to a specific, concrete federal crime, creating and submitting falsified documents to the federal government, to the national archives, that is a straightforward federal crime. and you and i continue to ask, and i will continue to ask, where is doj on this? all they have told us is they received a referral on this. they are aware of it. that's not enough and the timeframe that we are talking, we are a year out from january 6th and we have seen no concrete evidence that they are looking at anybody above the ground level and if that doesn't change, bottom line is there is not going to be any meaningful consequences to anyone for this. >> andrew, here is why it matters. this was a key part of the pressure campaign on pence to step in, and not certify the election. that's why it matters. and it's the same pressure campaign that led to that deadly violence by the trump supporters on january 6th. it's all part of the same strategy. >> that's absolutely right, don.