i -- i come from a great people where we do the framing. we do the defining of how we proceed, and then we're not surprised by that vicious behavior of the police vis-a-vis the black brother in -- in -- in -- in new jersey. >> let me ask you this. i totally get the point you're making. and -- and, you know, having framed it that way, we may not see these things in order to be able to frame it or react to it or figure out the how do we make it better, if there wasn't videotape. if you think of all the instances of racial bias that we don't see, that aren't -- aren't caught on tape, do we have a true understanding of just how bad it may be so that we can counteract that with the good that you say? >> well, it's a wonderful question. i think we should assume that it is worse. i mean, that -- that he 's the e