may come in the thousands, but we have it will to defend our people and our home. >> general hertling, you say that the u.s. and nato are doing a whole lot more than people realize under the radar to help ukraine. i'm sure people are happy about that, but can you talk about like what? >> no. i'm sorry, i can't, don. but i know what has been done in the past in these kind of operations. you know, a lot of the stuff they're doing right now is classified. they can't -- you know, the united states can't and won't share it, and it shouldn't be shared because it's contributing to the success of the ukrainian people or the ukrainian military. but what i will say is the story that remains to be told, and i hope to be one of the people telling it is the fact of how ukraine's military changed from a soviet era unprofessional force in the early 2000s into a