landlocked country. odesa third largest city, largest port. key junction for all the russian efforts right now. >> andrew mccabe, i'm sure that you are just watching this and fixated on what the colonel is saying, giving us some very good information. we heard putin's spokesman today, though, dmitri peskov, telling christiane amanpour that they're refusing to rule out the use of nuclear weapons. how seriously do you take their nuclear saber rattling? >> well, don, i think you have to take everything seriously that you hear from the russians right now. their conduct on the battlefield as the general has just walked through, really showed they're taking no quarter. they're taking advantage of every advantage they have, sitting back and shelling cities like mariupol into complete and utter devastation. the question becomes how desperate do they need to be before they actually reach for the nuclear arsenal, reach for potentially chemical weapons and
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