>> well, just that this has been so politicized now, don, it's taken losing loved ones or loved ones getting in the hospital and getting sick. the good news, at least from my point of view is the rest of some of my family who are not getting vaccinated are rushing out to get vaccinated. it taken something that's really been a crisis in our family for this to happen but i hope that the word is getting out now and that it gets across to other people unvaccinated. >> mark, before we go, how much -- we've been on television for almost -- well, it's a year and a half, right? a little bit longer. how much evidence do they need when they saw the hundreds of thousands of people dying from covid in the height of it. >> don, this is my point. i couldn't love my brother-in-law more than i do, but he is -- he's a smart guy but it became completely