>> lollapalooza. >> and the red states that are rejecting any kind of public health intervention, as long as that is the case, it's not going to stay contained in those cases. it will be hard for the administration to get handle on it nationally as long as it is so out of control in some of these red states. it comes back to the question, can they allow the governors to proceed on this course without confronting them more aggressively than they have so far, whether it's on schools, or masking, or even looking at different kinds of vaccine mandates. >> go on, david. >> i just want to say, look, i think the fundamental question, the reason those states are in the position they're in, is because they're in -- they've trailed the rest of the nation in terms of vaccinations. we know what the answer is. you know, this is, as has been said many times, this is a l