when they saw the hundreds of thousands of people dying from covid in the height of it. >> don, this is my point. i couldn't love my brother-in-law more than i do, but he is -- he's a smart guy but it became completely political for him. he's smart enough to know about what vaccines do. he worked in science all his life but became a statement. like democrats, this is good for democrats if, you know, covid was bad for donald trump and it's good for democrats. it got that black and white. and so that if he acknowledged that covid was a problem and got the vaccination, he was saying maybe the democrats are right and that's why he refused, i guess. i still haven't gotten a clear answer. >> boy, oh, boy, all right. >> don, listen, republicans are so good at creating issues of outrage that drive people to the poll. and they chose this as one of those issues to create outrage and drive people to the poll