they say they will try to determine when and if they arrive at the scene if they can play a role in handing the black boxes to the ukrainian governments. so far, pro-russian separatists say they have control over the black boxes. the ukrainian government says they have intercepted phone conversations between separatists and the russian handlers saying they accidentally shot down this civilian airliner thinking it was a ukrainian military aircraft. the government here says 121 bodies recovered so far. 95 people representing the government here in this area. we have to stress, again, an area that government doesn't control. they have 95 people searching the area using 18 vehicles. however, they are hampered by the separatist armed groups, hampered by the size of the area the debris is strewn. john? >> who has control of that area