stores which is almost double what other things are rising in the same category. and she said $300 million business is not enough to sustain a company like ours. do you really think on one end of the mall they'll buy an 8-quart ceramic casserole and then walk to the other side of the mall and buy the same thing from jcpenney? and she said they might have two houses, they might have two kitchens. and that got a lot of attention in the courtroom. so she's off the stand now. it's still unresolved. it is not a jury trial, it is a judge trial. but you have three big brands really, really banking on the outcome of this deal. >> and you've gone through the contract line by line, also? >> she's saying there is little -- she says there is a little bit of a loophole there